There was a system here before, who said they used to parallel process a lot, and they had some unusual brain functioning. iirc, they lost their abilities. For them, it might have been a brain chemistry thing, so they naturally had the ability until their brain changed and they lost it. That was interesting to hear about, but again... hard to understand or replicate.
"As I was saying before I sent Hector the picture. This is basically saying our brain is extremely convoluted. Different parts of our brain work EXTREMELY efficient while others are EXTREMELY poor."
do you know if they happened to be autistic? It's something expected from an autistic person(edited)
5:18 PM
"An example that comes to the top of my mind is simultaneously reading a book and holding a conversation while actively processing both."
that would be very easy to test if they were around
Parrotnoia question for everyone who has experienced it:
Did the host experience parrotnoia, did the tulpa/s (or headmates in general), or did both?(edited)
firmly the host only, atleast in our system, I knew when I was pardoned, and I knew when what I said was real, early on we dealt with the parrotnoia problem like this, "Shade cannot properly speak yet, so I interpret for her, it is like parroting, but the essential message is her message, not mine"
1:22 AM
*parroted, damn autocorrect
Shade
firmly the host only, atleast in our system, I knew when I was pardoned, and I knew when what I said was real, early on we dealt with the parrotnoia problem like this, "Shade cannot properly speak yet, so I interpret for her, it is like parroting, but the essential message is her message, not mine"
I could never tell when I was actually talking or not, in the beginning
Apriori
Parrotnoia question for everyone who has experienced it:
Did the host experience parrotnoia, did the tulpa/s (or headmates in general), or did both? (edited)
Just me, the host. Hix reminded me that since we share the same headspace, it makes since we'd know what the other would say, came after we talked about how my mom always finished my dad's sentences.
More than awkward, wars have started because translations went bad. In fact, you can Google! memes of translations of different signage at the olympics, Mandarin to English translations can be comical sometimes.
So it's just the host for you two, and everyone for Bennett's system... I wonder what other people will say. I might ask it again another time if people miss it.
1:29 AM
I'm interested in responses because I've had the impression that it's mostly hosts that get parrotnoia, but I've never actually checked.
I'm the host, as it happens. In my system, I didn't suffer parrotnoia at any time, however my first headmate did!
1:32 AM
I found myself comforting her about it after knowing her for a few weeks, which I still find quite curious. That's why I'm interested in other system's experiences of it.
Steve Z
Oh ok, Ranger was interested in the same question on another channel, just wondered
Parrotnoia question for everyone who has experienced it: Did the host experience parrotnoia, did the tulpa/s (or headmates in general), or did both?
@Apriori - jump
primarily the host. communication for us was sorta up and down for the first year and a half, so the parrotnoia thing mostly depended on how good our communication was. we could also sense what each of us wanted to say while we were talking, but I think that just comes with sharing a mind. host doesnt really struggle with parrotnoia anymore. I think she just wasnt used to being multiple the first year or so
1:33 AM
tldr it doesnt really eat at us anymore cause we have a better understanding of ourselves now
the idea of parrotnoia experienced exclusively by the tulpa is an interesting case for me. if i understand correctly parrotnoia is a fear of parroting a tulpa. if a host experiences parrotnoia, it's them that are experiencing it. but if it's a tulpa that is parrotnoic... who is experiencing it?
@Deleted User In my system's case, my headmate was worried she was fake/being parroted by me.
I understand parrotnoia to be paranoia of parroting in general, not specifically "paranoia of being the one doing the parroting".(edited)
yes but even regardless of any semantics, it's still interesting to me that a headmate was worried they might be fake when the host is not, it's like... who is doing the worrying?
11:52 AM
sounds like a problem that sorts itself out quickly?
I was really parrotnoid and struggled with it for months. However, I suspect that I'm an outlier thanks to our anxiety. I also struggled with doubting possession to the point Ranger needed a few months break from my anxiety before learning it.
If I recall correctly, Ranger grew doubtful I was her when she started switching with me. Later, I accidently did some integrate work when doubting tulpamancy and that made things harder from a doubt perspective. However, Ranger and I resolved our doubt completely, but different pieces of it came at different times. Once Ranger was comfortable with possession, I could tell her apart from myself fairly easily.
I think it takes some serious separation to be able to localise a feeling like that in one headmate. I'm seeing most people say that hosts felt it, which makes sense to me, because hosts usually get everything by default.
3:47 PM
(Because they are used to owning everything)(edited)
I started developing "parrotnoia" when I started switching. I quedtioned if I was really Gray and basically, if Gray was controlling me the whole time. Come to think of it, calling that parrotnoia seems like a stretch to me
Parrotnoia is the fear you are speaking for or as your tulpa. Me believing I'm actually Gray the whole time is a similar doubt, but it's less I think he's speaking instead of me and more we're really the same person all along.
It does if it takes more focus for whatever reason, whether that be because it takes effort to get them to think, or because what they're actually corporeally doing is taking more effort.
8:57 PM
The former will resolve itself with time and the latter will not.
yall what kinda methods you use for disassociation? i find dissociating really help me stay out of front, but i keep coming back to front when i stop dissociating..... how to yall keep up dissociating, or is there another way you front that doesn't require it, but also prevents you from accidentally taking front again?
yall what kinda methods you use for disassociation? i find dissociating really help me stay out of front, but i keep coming back to front when i stop dissociating..... how to yall keep up dissociating, or is there another way you front that doesn't require it, but also prevents you from accidentally taking front again?
sounds like it's gonna be a controversial topic lol
general the kind im feeling when im not in front is like... almost floaty, like im dreaming or watching a vr video. body does not feel like it's mine.
I jest. But I don't dissociate. I don't see any value in it, and it doesn't validate my experience to distance myself from what the body is experiencing.
I'm torn on whether I'd say it's a bad thing or not. It certainly has been from our experience, or at least mine personally. I could have completely misinterpreted my own experience but I felt it contributed to brain fog and ennui. I also believe it (at least that sort) occurs systemwide and is not limited to individual headmates.
10:47 PM
I think as a short-term survival mechanism it has value. For any sort of long-term use, I have my doubts.
The last part of that seems to be neurologically inconclusive. I've mentioned it before, but one of the valid models for understanding identities involves dissociating from emotions that are actually happening in greater depth than you're aware of. Meaning that it's potentially possible that when you think of something heavily dissociated you might be making something with real trauma, or that if you experience dissociation, that whoever is in the front may not be.
10:49 PM
But, at the same time, memory is one-track and there's only one memory stored.
I don't just mean emotions too. I mean the whole experience. Dissociation works by the communication area of your brain not communicating between a certain series of things. We also don't know if it can do this simultaneously - ie creating two networks independent of each other that are completely feeling seperately and potentially drawing on similar senses but diminished or enhanced
sort of going for a more body/mental dissociation, like you're running more on subconscious instinct than your own thought... emotional dissociation does help me tho when it comes to stress immediately snapping me to front o:
i kinda agree tho it's not good to rely on dissociation for long term... rn im just tryna roll with what my body/mind if already familiar with to get the others fronting longer and more consistently, without my interruption.
And yes I wouldn't exactly go to bat for it scientifically, but the concept is there. And I feel it's early to discount it. It can be a mistake to discount something because it feels similar to something we observe not to be true, like Parallel Processing. It's ultimately the same kind of logic that lead to people discounting the idea of flight being possible. I would just ask whether or not it seems to be feasible under our current understanding at the moment and that seems to be yes; but definitely inconclusively.
That's true for some things. I honestly can't say with dissociation since I literally don't do it unless we're both doing it and we're in a hypnotic trance.
11:01 PM
The idea of even being dissociated and conscious is kinda weird and alien to me.
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